tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post1172209960748786188..comments2024-03-18T15:28:13.866-04:00Comments on A Concord Pastor Comments: Catholics Come Home - in BostonConcord Pastorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18322127779647130869noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-11671118977061397872011-01-26T16:08:31.218-05:002011-01-26T16:08:31.218-05:00I googled these two quotes attributed to Augustine...I googled these two quotes attributed to Augustine:<br /><br />Without God I can't, without me God won't<br /><br />He who created us without our help will not save us without our consent<br /><br />The second seems more transparent - our creator endowed us with free will, to be with Him.<br /><br />The first could be an application of this to a specific desire. Or I think it could be a way of not saying "without God I can't, so I'll let God do it"<br /><br />I doubt that either of these Augustine quotes are literal translations - he wrote in Latin.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-77627217378651223212011-01-24T13:16:15.197-05:002011-01-24T13:16:15.197-05:00I searched and couldn't find an explanation ei...I searched and couldn't find an explanation either. Could it be that these words were just taken out of context from Augustine's writings and then reformatted? Could it be that Augustine is speaking about the Body of Christ, the Church?...It's not that Christ would be incomplete without us, but that he does not want to be... Just a thought. Make any sense?<br />Could this be the meaning behind the phrases.<br />"Without God, I can't."<br />"Without me, God won't." ?annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-5537257267410380642011-01-23T19:19:55.316-05:002011-01-23T19:19:55.316-05:00And, sami, I believe that's how Cardinal Sean ...And, sami, I believe that's how Cardinal Sean used and intended the quote - but I'm not convinced that's its original meaning. (And, I'm not yet sure of the origin of the quote!)Concord Pastorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18322127779647130869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-90550995468196915192011-01-23T19:15:44.374-05:002011-01-23T19:15:44.374-05:00I think it means without "us" or "m...I think it means without "us" or "me", the word of God, cannot be taught or lived. He needs "us" to act as He lived. We need to be kind, generous, giving, loving ... everything that Jesus emulates, in order to teach those who don't know who Jesus is and what He is all about.<br />That's how I understand it.saminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-8946835915840252562011-01-23T18:41:04.471-05:002011-01-23T18:41:04.471-05:00I've tried to locate on line a connection betw...I've tried to locate on line a connection between Augustine and this quote but was unable to find one.<br /><br />It puzzled me when I heard it on the video. Like Michelle I understand the first part. Jesus said, "Without me you can do nothing..." (John15:5)<br /><br />But the second part of this quote seems to make God dependent on our cooperation. While God certainly respects our will and doesn't force himself on us, it seems to me the grace of God works in many mysterious ways not dependent on our cooperation.<br /><br />Anyone else have a take on this?Concord Pastorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18322127779647130869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-52061419962691701732011-01-23T18:08:08.191-05:002011-01-23T18:08:08.191-05:00"Without God, I can't."
I get this- ..."Without God, I can't."<br />I get this- I get this more than I can ever say in words.<br /><br />But, this:<br />"Without me, God won't."<br /><br />I just don't understand this. I'm not sure what this means.michellenoreply@blogger.com