tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post5200554185218270056..comments2024-03-18T15:28:13.866-04:00Comments on A Concord Pastor Comments: Père Teilhard and Pope BenedictConcord Pastorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18322127779647130869noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-18853013172514913102010-08-10T00:43:41.508-04:002010-08-10T00:43:41.508-04:00Piere Teilhard de Chardin was, is and always shall...Piere Teilhard de Chardin was, is and always shall be a heretic and hero of all modernists.Xristoforos McAvoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761973056388424084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-65654395477652933532009-08-04T17:43:19.928-04:002009-08-04T17:43:19.928-04:00Anonymous July 28,
Thought you might be intereste...Anonymous July 28,<br /><br />Thought you might be interested to know that NCR won the Catholic Press Association's General Excellence Award for the tenth consecutive year in 2009.<br /><br />RosemaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-82292644051590955092009-08-01T13:53:10.372-04:002009-08-01T13:53:10.372-04:00I hate to add to the fray, but if CP allows this c...I hate to add to the fray, but if CP allows this comment, I will.<br /><br />Perhaps the essence of this discussion is exactly the point of the prayer that Rosemary presented in her comment.<br /><br />We simply do not know and we are on the journey. <br /><br />With due respect Irish Gal, and I must say perhaps I am misinterpreting you, your words present a scenario in which things are all sewn up. <br /><br />To this I must say that I believe our view of the temporal and God's is quite different. Of course the truth is there, it has just not all been revealed to us.<br /><br />Which is why people whose names, from Joan of Arc to Copernicus to Galileo to Sister Mary McKillop to Franz Jaegerstatter and countless others remain part of the great cloud of witnesses.<br /><br />You are free to not embrace the Teilhardian ethic, but why continue to to try to extinguish a fire that God Himself may have set?<br /><br />And that brings us back to the prayer of Teilhard de Chardin which reminds us to "Above all, trust the slow work of God."<br /><br />FranSt Edwards Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00585815864104929974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-40555124666414251622009-08-01T12:59:50.855-04:002009-08-01T12:59:50.855-04:00Irish Gal,
I am not sure that exoneration is besid...Irish Gal,<br />I am not sure that exoneration is beside the point. I imagine for those who have felt the heavy hand of Rome and have then been exonerated, the relief must be enormous. Particularly, I would think for scientists who know they are right, the humiliation they have endured must be very difficult to take. I dare say that Galileo must have thrown a whopping party in heaven once the powers that be acknowledged the rightness of his scientific findings. It sure took them a heck of a long time to get around to admitting that Galileo was correct in his findings. <br /><br />The hubris and lack of ability to say "we were wrong" is what makes Rome so unique.<br /><br />RosemaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-66497241410754622692009-08-01T07:44:14.836-04:002009-08-01T07:44:14.836-04:00Rosemary - thank you for that prayer, I am making ...Rosemary - thank you for that prayer, I am making a copy of it for myself and for someone I have been in conversation with.St Edwards Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00585815864104929974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-84705414381550614132009-07-31T23:40:42.989-04:002009-07-31T23:40:42.989-04:00If anybody is interested in reading the homily whe...If anybody is interested in reading the homily where he mentioned Teilhard, you can read it all here:<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20090724_vespri-aosta_en.html<br /><br />Of course this is nothing new for Benedict. A great number of his books reference Teilhard in a positive way, and in many ways when you come to learn the theology of then Cardinal Ratzinger you will come to see that Teilhard is probably the only one who was able to express so precisely the vision that the Pope himself sought to convey, but felt uncomfortable doing so in such direct language. Personally I find that Teilhard's vision uniquely bridges that gap between the personalism of Augustine that drew Benedict to the faith, and the objectivity of Aquinas that naturally satisfies his own logical mind. These are the words of St. Paul, but in a modern language that opens up its understanding to the questioning, curious minds of today. Teilhard's vision is dangerously incomplete, but invaluable nonetheless.<br /><br />JohnJWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-58756794844250489212009-07-30T21:21:46.564-04:002009-07-30T21:21:46.564-04:00Rosemary,
For those who trust in God, the hope is...Rosemary,<br /><br />For those who trust in God, the hope is that His will be done. Whether that results in "exoneration" or not is beside the point for such souls.<br /><br />Irish GalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-88656203171885446982009-07-30T19:09:10.361-04:002009-07-30T19:09:10.361-04:00I do enjoy the comments of those who make them in ...I do enjoy the comments of those who make them in a balanced, reasoned, and well-read manner more than those with a consistently negative attitude toward people who disagree with them.Celtic Cronenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-82687315395484473562009-07-30T15:30:48.759-04:002009-07-30T15:30:48.759-04:00A few years ago an introductory prayer at a meetin...A few years ago an introductory prayer at a meeting I attended struck a chord with me. I had never heard of Teilhard de Chardin, but got a copy of the prayer, which I have recited daily ever since.<br /><br />Above all, trust the slow work of God.<br />We are, quite naturally,<br />impatient in everything to reach the end without delay.<br />We should like to skip <br />the intermediate stages.<br />We are impatient of being on<br />The way to something unknown,<br />something new,<br />and yet it is the law of all progress<br />that it is made by passing through<br />some stage of instability -<br />and that it may take a very long time.<br /><br />And so I think it is with you.<br />Your ideas mature gradually -<br />let them grow,<br />let them shape themselves,<br />without undue haste.<br />Don't try to force them on,<br />as though you could be today<br />what time (that is to say, grace and circumstances acting<br />on your own good will)<br />will make them tomorrow.<br /><br />Only God could say what this new spirit<br />gradually forming within you will be.<br />Give Our Lord the benefit of believing that his hand is leading you,<br />and accept the anxiety of<br />feeling yourself in suspense and incomplete.<br /><br />-- Teilhard de Chardin<br /><br />For Teilhard de Chardin and for so many others who have faced similar trials trust that God is with you and will lead you in time to be exonerated.<br /><br />RosemaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-12155575677998778222009-07-30T10:46:59.539-04:002009-07-30T10:46:59.539-04:00Deacon Greg,
Certainly there's much in de Cha...Deacon Greg,<br /><br />Certainly there's much in de Chardin's writing that is charming and quotable. He was a learned, witty man, probably very much at home at Manhattan dinner parties as well as archeological digs -- today he would be very appealing as a media figure. And yet, in his yearnings to reconcile God and evolution, he apparently overreached. (Disclaimer: My parents had a Jesuit friend who lived in residence with de Chardin for many years, so I heard about his silencing and its aftermath first-hand.) I understand de Chardin made an assent of the will and of the intellect to the church's decision.<br />I wouldn't be so quick to disregard the controversy surrounding his writing -- or to belittle a member of your parish who is educated enough to recognize de Chardin's words and to recall the negative assessment of them by his fellow theologians.<br /><br />Irish GalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-60289718334077144512009-07-30T01:16:56.398-04:002009-07-30T01:16:56.398-04:00I had to see this and smile.
I quoted this line ...I had to see this and smile. <br /><br />I quoted this line in my first homily at my Mass of Thanksgiving: <br /><br /><i>One by one, Lord, I see and I love all those whom you have given me to sustain and charm my life.</i> <br /><br />And wouldn't you know, someone after mass wagged a finger at me and said, "You know, Teilhard de Chardin has been condemned." <br /><br />Ah, memories. God bless our big, crazy church. <br /><br />Dcn. G.Deacon Greg Kandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01343888383568998242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-43551407216561199882009-07-28T22:17:45.833-04:002009-07-28T22:17:45.833-04:00I read the Allen piece with great joy earlier toda...I read the Allen piece with great joy earlier today. I love Teilhard. For me he was so many things but if I were to sum it up, I would say that for me he helped me to return to the Church and he helps me to stay.<br /><br />I spent a lot of time pondering him this past fall in my sacraments class (with Richard Vosko) thinking about the cosmos as the primordial sacrament.<br /><br />I loved reading about your own experiences of Teilhard - thank you!<br /><br />FranSt Edwards Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00585815864104929974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4808375493800890797.post-36951286182207508332009-07-28T19:32:29.990-04:002009-07-28T19:32:29.990-04:00I wouldn't take NCR as an authoritative source...I wouldn't take NCR as an authoritative source given its past history of misinterpretations! As for Fr. Lombardi, he is not the one who will be lifting the ban. Benedict is quite capable of speaking clearly and issuing rulings on his own initiative. He hasn't overturned the ban on de Chardin as yet. It would be premature to assume that's what will happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com